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Post by oklahomamick on Apr 1, 2016 10:06:24 GMT -5
I'm a rational Valpo fan.
A. When I stated VU having zero NCAAT wins I was not counting the sweet 16 over 20 years ago. Though, I don't know if I would claim a play-in game win against another low major team in 2005 either. OU fan commented that Valpo has won nothing and I will agree but only on a national level. (which is what Valpo and OU strives for). Valpo indeed set HL scoring margin and had the 2nd best conf. record in HL history. Won 4 out of 5 league championships and a couple tournament championships. Valpo has won some conference stuff but ultimately would agree with OU fan that Valpo has won nothing at national level.
B. I commented that Valpo will vacate the conference leaving Oakland in the sub par conference once again. That comment was in response to OU fans hoping Valpo would lose the NIT championship. counter productive and not good for the conference....
C. I don't root against OU when playing outside of the conference. I don't dislike OU. Kampe is my favorite coach outside of Bryce. Had a good conversation with Kampe and OU AD in Detroit. It's not a Private vs. Public thing. Obviously I cant speak for other Valpo fans but I will take a swing when answering the question, why Valpo fans hate OU? 1. They aggressively pushed the tournament to be in Detroit. 2. OU MBB receives a lot of media attention. I get it they have a stud player that should have been 1st team AP. But for OU to consistently find itself in national media for a team thats not even in the top 100 rpi is crazy. I don't think any other team has received so much press outside of the top 100. Is there jealously there? Yes. As a valpo fan I would like that press, but would not like the results of OU MBB. 3. contrasting styles of basketball 4. We pray as team and a student body after games. Don't know if thats really a reason but stating it because it further illustrates difference between the two.
D. Will Valpo leave the HL? Most likely not. I do wish they would be aggressive in pursuing another conference, just as OU did when it was in the summit. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to move to a better league. Valpo was one of the first ones out of the NCAAT. Never had a chance in conf. play to get a top 100 win. The point of saying "Valpo will leave OU in a sub par conference" was not that we won anything - but that we have done well in the HL and need to move up just like VU did from the summit, just like Oakland did from the summit. Only difference is that we won a little more titles in the SL before we jumped and it was earlier than OU.
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Post by Germane on Apr 1, 2016 11:37:04 GMT -5
C. I don't root against OU when playing outside of the conference. I don't dislike OU. Kampe is my favorite coach outside of Bryce. Had a good conversation with Kampe and OU AD in Detroit. It's not a Private vs. Public thing. Obviously I cant speak for other Valpo fans but I will take a swing when answering the question, why Valpo fans hate OU? 1. They aggressively pushed the tournament to be in Detroit. 2. OU MBB receives a lot of media attention. I get it they have a stud player that should have been 1st team AP. But for OU to consistently find itself in national media for a team thats not even in the top 100 rpi is crazy. I don't think any other team has received so much press outside of the top 100. Is there jealously there? Yes. As a valpo fan I would like that press, but would not like the results of OU MBB. 3. contrasting styles of basketball 4. We pray as team and a student body after games. Don't know if thats really a reason but stating it because it further illustrates difference between the two. D. Will Valpo leave the HL? Most likely not. I do wish they would be aggressive in pursuing another conference, just as OU did when it was in the summit. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to move to a better league. Valpo was one of the first ones out of the NCAAT. Never had a chance in conf. play to get a top 100 win. The point of saying "Valpo will leave OU in a sub par conference" was not that we won anything - but that we have done well in the HL and need to move up just like VU did from the summit, just like Oakland did from the summit. Only difference is that we won a little more titles in the SL before we jumped and it was earlier than OU. Good perspective. Here are a couple of quick thoughts: 1. Pushing to move the tourney to Detroit and getting so much media exposure (maybe more than OU, Felder, or Hooper "deserve"?) is partly the result of our AD being aggressive in putting the OU brand out there, which is a big part of his job. But it also has to be understood as a piece of a bigger puzzle, since the university as a whole (from the new president on down) is pushing hard to elevate OU's profile nationally - especially in terms of academics and research, which most basketball fans at other schools probably don't know or care about. My point is that the broader context might reduce some of the irritation of Valpo fans who think this is just the result of Kampe having a big mouth, etc. 2. When OU pushed publicly to get out of the Summit League, the justifications were all positive: saving money, reducing travel and class time missed, better overall conference, etc. There was very little talk about the teams in the Summit being "beneath" Oakland. I wouldn't fault Valpo fans for pushing the positive aspects of getting into a different conference, if there was another realistic conference option within the geographic footprint, etc. And if Valpo made it to two consecutive NCAA Finals, like Butler, then the perceived superiority complex would have some justification. I was rooting hard for Valpo to win the NIT. They still did a great job representing the conference.
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Post by oklahomamick on Apr 1, 2016 12:41:00 GMT -5
C. I don't root against OU when playing outside of the conference. I don't dislike OU. Kampe is my favorite coach outside of Bryce. Had a good conversation with Kampe and OU AD in Detroit. It's not a Private vs. Public thing. Obviously I cant speak for other Valpo fans but I will take a swing when answering the question, why Valpo fans hate OU? 1. They aggressively pushed the tournament to be in Detroit. 2. OU MBB receives a lot of media attention. I get it they have a stud player that should have been 1st team AP. But for OU to consistently find itself in national media for a team thats not even in the top 100 rpi is crazy. I don't think any other team has received so much press outside of the top 100. Is there jealously there? Yes. As a valpo fan I would like that press, but would not like the results of OU MBB. 3. contrasting styles of basketball 4. We pray as team and a student body after games. Don't know if thats really a reason but stating it because it further illustrates difference between the two. D. Will Valpo leave the HL? Most likely not. I do wish they would be aggressive in pursuing another conference, just as OU did when it was in the summit. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to move to a better league. Valpo was one of the first ones out of the NCAAT. Never had a chance in conf. play to get a top 100 win. The point of saying "Valpo will leave OU in a sub par conference" was not that we won anything - but that we have done well in the HL and need to move up just like VU did from the summit, just like Oakland did from the summit. Only difference is that we won a little more titles in the SL before we jumped and it was earlier than OU. Good perspective. Here are a couple of quick thoughts: 1. Pushing to move the tourney to Detroit and getting so much media exposure (maybe more than OU, Felder, or Hooper "deserve"?) is partly the result of our AD being aggressive in putting the OU brand out there, which is a big part of his job. But it also has to be understood as a piece of a bigger puzzle, since the university as a whole (from the new president on down) is pushing hard to elevate OU's profile nationally - especially in terms of academics and research, which most basketball fans at other schools probably don't know or care about. My point is that the broader context might reduce some of the irritation of Valpo fans who think this is just the result of Kampe having a big mouth, etc. 2. When OU pushed publicly to get out of the Summit League, the justifications were all positive: saving money, reducing travel and class time missed, better overall conference, etc. There was very little talk about the teams in the Summit being "beneath" Oakland. I wouldn't fault Valpo fans for pushing the positive aspects of getting into a different conference, if there was another realistic conference option within the geographic footprint, etc. And if Valpo made it to two consecutive NCAA Finals, like Butler, then the perceived superiority complex would have some justification.I might get in trouble from the OU fans and don't think you guys will see it as I. But I understand Valpo has not been as successful as Butler in the NCAAT or out of conference games. But when you compare the last 5 HL seasons from Valpo to 2007-2012 HL seasons of Butler (Butler didn't do so well their last 2 years in HL) they are comparable. Valpo has won 4 out of 5 and set a scoring margin record this year. Butler wanted to leave for several reasons, but a main reason was they wanted a league that increased their at-large chances. Several Valpo fans, including myself want the same and feel this year HL's rpi and anchors really hurt those chances and forced a must win tournament. Butler felt like that and was able to convince the HL that #1 should host to give the best team the best opportunity to go to the tournament. Point 1. Butler > Valpo in national and meaningful games but in the HL not too far off. (Looking at the last 5 years) Point 2. Several HL programs aren't as strong as they were, but several Valpo fans don't want to move because those programs are beneath them, but rather to better Vu's situation. When is the best time to ask for a promotion? when you have done a good job consistently. Not because you think you are better than your co-workers. Has Valpo done much outside of the HL? Not really, just votes in the top 25, meaningless #1 ranking in mid-major publications, a run in a NIT and some ESPN games. Could you say Valpo has been the leader of the HL for the past 5 years? Yes.
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Post by oklahomamick on Apr 1, 2016 12:46:17 GMT -5
I come with intentions to learn and enjoy conversation or ideas from another HL fan base. I want to understand others perspective and respect it. And maybe that my valpo forum is quite after last night : )
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