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Post by blackandgold on Oct 31, 2010 0:07:28 GMT -5
My latest post is all about membership drama in The Summit League from the weekend: bit.ly/adSi8BHowever, the main thing in the post is this image/infographic chart. Please take a look and let me know if I am missing anything or came to a misguided conclusion. This could also be worthless come Monday. i55.tinypic.com/nv4j1i.jpg
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Post by virginian on Oct 31, 2010 11:28:01 GMT -5
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Post by blackandgold on Oct 31, 2010 13:27:04 GMT -5
Mike Brown from the Tulsa World with an article on all of this. When I initially read this part: Losing Southern Utah and USD would leave the Summit with six core members, one less than required for retaining its NCAA Tournament berth in basketball. A core member has at least eight years of Division I participation.
The league will have a two-year grace period to add other members.
I was confused because I skipped over that "eight years" part an was wondering where he got six from. However, when you see that core members part, this situation gets a little sticky. I looked up the NCAA rules on automatic qualifications, for which men's basketball has its own set of standards. Here we go: The member conference must include seven core institutions. For the purposes of this legislation, core refers to an institution that has been an active member of Division I the eight preceding years.Let's operate under 2011-12 circumstances, meaning Centenary is gone. Losing Southern Utah, regardless of if USD or UND came into the league, would put the league at just six "core members": IUPUI, WIU, UMKC, OU, ORU, and thankfully IPFW (they joined DI in 2002 so officially clear the eight year requirement). So without Southern Utah, we fall below the seven members necessary. Even though we would have EIGHT members total, SDSU and NDSU joined Division I in 2004 (can anyone confirm this, I got it from Wikipedia?), so they have only been in Division I for 6 years (or maybe 7 depending on if the NCAA goes by "seasons"). Either way, at least for next season, it wouldn't clear the 8 year requirement. Further, the continuity-of-membership requirement shall be met only if a minimum of six core institutions have conducted conference competition together in Division I the preceding five years in men’s basketball. There shall be no exception to the five-year waiting period.We are okay here. A conference shall remain eligible for automatic qualification for two years following the date of withdrawal of the institution(s) that causes the conference’s membership to fall below seven institutions, or below six members with continuity of membership, provided the conference maintains at least six Division I members.This is where we might get lucky. If we assume that SDSU/NDSU have been in DI for 6 years, well at the end of the grace period of two-years they will have been in it for 8 years, which if this is an acceptable course of action by NCAA standards, would bring the Summit League back above the seven core member requirements. Otherwise, the Summit League would absolutely have to find a real DI school as a replacement as opposed to a recently reclassified from DII school.
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Post by dantheman on Oct 31, 2010 22:40:18 GMT -5
Why could we not snag UALR and have them just be a travel partner with ORU.
I still stand by the fact that OU will be ok as long as we keep the current track we are on. Some opportunity will present itself.
I was encouraged by the first poster on the bisonville board. He gave me alot of hope, we just need to stick it out as a Conference.
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Post by nate on Nov 1, 2010 15:42:57 GMT -5
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Post by spiritsquad on Nov 1, 2010 16:42:48 GMT -5
The real question now is where does the Summit League go from here? I was hearing somewhere something along the lines of now that we are losing SUU, we are below the minimum amount of teams required for an automatic bid to the NCAA's.... that true?
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Post by Grizzfan1 on Nov 1, 2010 16:49:23 GMT -5
The real question now is where does the Summit League go from here? I was hearing somewhere something along the lines of now that we are losing SUU, we are below the minimum amount of teams required for an automatic bid to the NCAA's.... that true? Blackandgold went into detail a couple posts back but yes it is true.
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Post by dantheman on Nov 1, 2010 17:14:37 GMT -5
If I understand black and gold correctly however, we are not in danger because they are not joining until June 1 2012. By that time NDSU and SDSU would be close (or already) considered "core" members of the Summit based on how long they have been in Division I.
Blackandgold, please correct me if I wrong about the aforementioned.
If the above is true we have no risk of losing our auto-bid, but we are by no means out of the woods. We are left in a significantly vulnerable position, considering we are down to 8 teams and do not offer football for teams who waste, I mean spend, money on football.
The Summit is in a precarious position to say the least.
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Post by Leobrn12 on Nov 1, 2010 17:39:34 GMT -5
In all honesty, with the domino's starting to fall all over the conference world, I would not be shocked to see The Summit league disappear.
I also think, if the Big 12 invites two more member's then the domino's will really start flying.
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Post by blackandgold on Nov 1, 2010 18:37:08 GMT -5
If I understand black and gold correctly however, we are not in danger because they are not joining until June 1 2012. By that time NDSU and SDSU would be close (or already) considered "core" members of the Summit based on how long they have been in Division I. Blackandgold, please correct me if I wrong about the aforementioned. I have been reading and reading and researching and researching all day about this. The NDSU/SDSU scenario we talked about earlier has no chance of helping us. I have a new post I am working on right now and will put up a link later tonight. It is very comprehensive and more than any one would want to read, but it should address every question people have about DEFINITE factors of this situation, or at least that is the goal!
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